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Comments on: Suggestions Forward for Science Online (“Where Do We Go From Here?”) https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/ "the hardest thing in this world is to live in it" Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:15:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Life as an Extreme Sport » Blog Archive » A Primer on Apologies https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-271175 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:15:13 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-271175 […] talked before about trust as a limiting factor, and the steps to take to repair trust. But I haven’t […]

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By: Kelly https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269706 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:25:37 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269706 In reply to Amy Charles.

Hi Amy, sorry for the delay in response! While I agree that what happened over the course of two weeks for Science Online was nice (especially the lack of rape and death threats, as a whole), I think it’s probably a bad model to assume will always work. In fact, I think the atheism community and its handling of similar cases indicates precisely why the model can’t be relied on.

Secondly, it is—at least from my experience, which is shared by at least some of the people I’ve talked to—exhausting. It forces many people to rehash their own harassment and abuse, it inspires the #ripplesofdoubt, and it creates a lot of secondary trauma. I’m not sure that’s a healthy model to follow.

I would hope that anyone available/approachable on any kind of ad hoc committee to monitor and intervene in harassment situations also believes in the spirit of openness and transparency (although I recognize how difficult that is, too). It’s not a perfect solution, but the idea is, more than anything else, to minimize secondary traumas. I’d definitely be interested if you have an idea that does that without relying on any committee model, as well!

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By: rocza https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269648 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:18:29 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269648 @TalkScienceToMe can give you my latest “going fwd”; will fwd a few others tonight if I can find them 🙂 http://t.co/5PPtxfzOhH

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By: Amy Charles https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269636 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:24:39 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269636 I’ve said this in a few places, but I guess I’ll say it here, too.

If there’s a standing committee on harassment, I think you should expect it to meet the fate of all other such committees: it becomes a little dump at the edge of town for “women’s issues”, and nobody wants to go there but women who can afford to be identified with women’s issues and men who have reasons to advertise as feminists. Moreover, every time a harassment issue comes up, or a “woman’s issue” generally, it can be shunted to the committee and out of the general community.

I would suggest instead that what’s gone on the last week or so is proof of the efficacy of a different model. And I’d suggest we learn from that. This has been a shocking demonstration of the power of open, no-official-spokesperson many-person conversation, one in which women are indeed at the heart of the community.

Maybe, now and then, ad-hoc committees are needed. But I’d suggest thinking hard before going to models that work less well than what we’ve just watched.

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By: lehsmit88 https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269632 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:28:38 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269632 RT @rocza: “Suggestions Forward for @ScienceOnline,” w/obligatory Buffy the Vampire reference http://t.co/5PPtxfzOhH w thanks to @marynmck …

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By: orzelc https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269633 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:22:16 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269633 Only reservation re: @rocza post on @ScienceOnline is “buddy system” idea. Mismatch there could be actively worse http://t.co/wv8apUXwzK

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By: KMBTweets https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269634 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:01:11 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269634 RT @roseveleth: As usual @rocza says smart things: http://t.co/bpMimjzI1W This time about moving forward with scio.

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By: ejwillingham https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269635 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:51:55 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269635 RT @roseveleth: As usual @rocza says smart things: http://t.co/bpMimjzI1W This time about moving forward with scio.

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By: easternblot https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269626 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:16:43 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269626 RT @roseveleth: As usual @rocza says smart things: http://t.co/bpMimjzI1W This time about moving forward with scio.

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By: teqnomad https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-2/#comment-269627 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:12:09 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269627 So many reasons to retweet «@rocza “Suggestions Forward for @ScienceOnline,” w/obligatory Buffy the Vampire reference http://t.co/Zec44EoMCg

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By: roseveleth https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-269628 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:08:45 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269628 As usual @rocza says smart things: http://t.co/bpMimjzI1W This time about moving forward with scio.

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By: teqnomad https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-269629 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:08:45 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269629 RT @rocza: “Suggestions Forward for @ScienceOnline,” w/obligatory Buffy the Vampire reference http://t.co/5PPtxfzOhH w thanks to @marynmck …

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By: AndreaKuszewski https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-269630 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:06:35 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269630 Suggestions Forward for Science Online (“Where Do We Go From Here?”) by @rocza http://t.co/JQ1lJyqP1G @melanietbaum

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By: docfreeride https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-269621 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:58:20 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269621 RT @DrMRFrancis: http://t.co/p74mbwGCp3 I’m pretty much on board with all @rocza ‘s suggestions in this post. #sciox

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By: DrMRFrancis https://www.kellyhills.com/suggestions-for-science-online-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-269622 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:56:32 +0000 http://www.kellyhills.com/blog/?p=54022#comment-269622 http://t.co/p74mbwGCp3 I’m pretty much on board with all @rocza ‘s suggestions in this post. #sciox

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