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Comments on: Access and the Day Spa https://www.kellyhills.com/access-and-the-day-spa/ "the hardest thing in this world is to live in it" Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:37:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: holy fool https://www.kellyhills.com/access-and-the-day-spa/#comment-941 Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:37:59 +0000 /?p=46#comment-941 Well, you both have points that should be addressed, and I’m a bit annoyed that this interface doesn’t allow for actual response that you’ll definitely see. For Ice Princess:
I think that part of my feeling of meat was that it moved from an efficent experience to an assembly line one when I was on my side watching other women have the same thing done, and the women were all talking above us in their native language. While my scrubber was certainly nice to me, I felt very detached from her. I wonder how much is changed by the fact I was in the secondary (overflow) scrubbing room, and not with anyone else I knew?

For Colleen:
No, I caught that half the clients were old Asian women (as I noted above), and that they scrubbed one another. But they weren’t exchanging money to be scrubbed, it was friends doing it – would have been like you taking a scrubber to me, or vice versa. I did see a few of the older Asian women being scrubbed professionally, but not many. Overwhelmingly, the paid services were taken by the white women there. And yes, expense-wise, it certainly was quite a bit cheaper than the traditional spa, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are a lot of people who could never afford such a thing. I understand that it seems seriously negligible to you, but for all my talk of it being a new addiction, I’ll never be able to afford going there on my own. It’s simply out of the range of what I can justify and afford. And if it’s out of my range, then there are a lot of other people for whom it’s not affordable, as well.

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By: Colleen https://www.kellyhills.com/access-and-the-day-spa/#comment-930 Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:56:34 +0000 /?p=46#comment-930 Hmm.. I think I disagree with this. It think it’s all a cultural thing – we weren’t taking advantage – we were entering into a different culture. It seems like you missed that half of the clientele were old Korean ladies who scrubbed each other at the showers. And the price of this spa is seriously negligible. (Talk to Vanessa, who works at the Fairmont Olympic hotel spa, and sees white women dropping a couple grand in a few hours…) I’d rather talk about it in person, though – I’m not being clear enough in writing right now.

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By: Ice Princess https://www.kellyhills.com/access-and-the-day-spa/#comment-923 Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:37:53 +0000 /?p=46#comment-923 I had some similar musings, with mine mingling with thoughts about whether this falls under the notion of immigrants taking advantage of the so-called “American dream,” and whether or not in their view they’re merely taking advantage of the proclivities of overprivileged Westerners in utilizing knowledge they brought with them. I suspect the truth of it falls somewhere in a mix of all of it. Not to mention that in this country the whole spa “experience” has typically been something regularly available only to those with a great deal of disposable income–while your arguments about privilege are entirely valid, this place is making visiting a spa accessible to people who don’t have quite as much privilege as those who typically visit the more upscale spas, so there’s something of a hierarchy of access involved.

I will also note that I, personally, didn’t feel like a piece of meat; while the scrub is certainly…efficient, I guess is how I’d say it, the woman who provided mine was very friendly and made me feel welcome, and to some extent I found that part of the experience more…I don’t know what the word is, authentic, less tied up in trappings of privilege and expectation, something like that, than the massage was.

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By: holy fool https://www.kellyhills.com/access-and-the-day-spa/#comment-922 Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:13:09 +0000 /?p=46#comment-922 And of course, thinking of access – what about the guys?

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